Do You Know Who Those Above Names Belong To?

For several weeks I have been back to researching some questions in keeping up with the vaccine conversation.   As I discussed in my previous vaccine post, the issue of vaccine choice will continue to be a heated topic, especially now in the midst of the COVID19 pandemic.

I had set out to compile more studies on vaccine safety data. In doing so, I ran across information about Stanley Plotkin. Some of you may have already heard of him. Dr. Plotkin is considered the Godfather of Vaccines. And for good reason. I could not convey in words what this video communicates so clearly.

Click on photo to watch. Please do not skip watching this video, as it is crucial to understating the importance and influence this man has.

Click HERE to watch video.

Clearly Dr. Plotkin has established himself as one of the most accomplished scientists in the area of vaccinology.

So, How did I come across him?

As I was looking at more data on vaccine safety studies, the issue of aborted babies used for vaccines continually came up.   I had known for many years that aborted babies had been used in several vaccines, to some degree. It wasn’t until last week that I began to see the picture a little differently.

In digging into a little more research on this topic, I came across a deposition Dr. Plotkin gave which was intended to be used in a Michigan court case, Matheson V. Schmidt. This case involved Lori Matheson and her ex-husband Michael Schmitt. At issue was the right to decide if their 2-year-old daughter should be vaccinated. Matheson had two objections. First, she did not want their daughter, Faith, to receive her vaccines because she was concerned about an autoimmune disease that runs in her family and how a vaccine might negatively affect Faith. Secondly, she had claimed a religious exemption for vaccines because of the use of aborted fetuses.

I give the background of this case only for the purposes of explaining why Stanley Plotkin was being deposed.

He was asked to testify as an expert witness on vaccines by Dr. Paul Offit, who is also known as an expert in his knowledge on vaccines.

Dr. Plotkin’s Testimony

As it turned out, after being deposed for over 9 hours, Dr. Plotkin recused himself from the case, so the judge never heard his testimony.

After watching these videos you will have some insight as to why he decided to recuse himself.

Please do not skip past these videos or fast-forward through them, every word is important. If you are concerned about any edits being made, or Plotkin taken out of context, you can click here for the full deposition. Click on the photo below to start listening to him describe the contents of vaccines and the use of aborted babies in vaccines and vaccine research:

In this video, Dr. Plotkin talks about his research using orphans and the medically handicapped in experimental vaccines:

A Few Comments

First, I do not wish to make any character assumptions about Dr. Plotkin. My main objective was for people to hear him in his own words and to know the ideology from which he works from, since his products affect millions of people. However, I do think it is important to remember Dr. Paul Offit’s words from the above video:

“He (Dr. Plotkin) has trained a generation of scientists, including myself, to think like he thinks.”

Secondly, I would like to briefly address Dr. Plotkin’s comments regarding the Catholic Church, only because he specifically brings it up.  He seems, to some degree, imply that the Catholic Church accepts the use of vaccines that contain aborted babies. I am not Catholic, but I think that his comments may be a bit of an ”overstatement” of the Catholic Church’s position. In it’s letter on this subject (click here to read), the Catholic Church gives “passive material cooperation,” for getting vaccines, but to “make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems” ….” as is up to the faithful and citizens of upright conscience (fathers of families, doctors, etc.) to oppose, even by making an objection of conscience, the ever more widespread attacks against life and the “culture of death” which underlies them  (vaccines).”

That said, the letter does seem to suggest that it is “permissible” to use vaccines with aborted babies when there is no other choice. It states: “However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis.”

I am not sure what is meant by a “temporary basis”, as we are now 15 years past the date of that letter; henceforth I would like to make an appeal not only to all my Catholic friends, but my friends of ALL denominations of the church, to consider, indeed, the “culture of death” in which we find ourselves. And what our participation is with that culture.

Plotkin’s Vaccine Study

The Rubella vaccine alone used 76 (The number Plotkin gave in his deposition) aborted babies for research  – again that is for just one vaccine.

“The rubella virus clinically named RA273 (R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus, 3=3rd tissue explant) was then cultivated on the WI-38 aborted fetal cell line.”

A later research paper by Stanley Plotkin would reveal that 40 more babies were aborted after RA273 was successfully isolated, with virus strains taken from 34 of them.

See Study here:


The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week aborted baby.

As I sat down to write this post, after reading a plethora of articles and studies, my primary thought was,”What ethic are we anchored in?”

I was reminded of the videos that came out in 2015 showing how Planned Parenthood was selling fetal parts from abortions for medical research.

Please note: My intent here is NOT to talk about the legality of abortion, Planned Parenthood or anything surrounding these tapes. My motivation for putting them in this post is simply to show where we are at in regards to our collective consciousness.  Our willingness to accept aborted baby cells in our vaccines plays a role in what we accept as a culture.

This is an excerpt from a note I wrote to members of my family back in 2015 in regards to the videos below:

“If you have not seen these videos, but you think you can imagine what is in them-you cannot. You need to watch them. We cannot turn away from the reality of what is happening in our culture.”

Click on each photo to watch what the conscience of our culture has become. Please do not pass by these without watching. These videos segments are very short – between 36 seconds to a little over 1 minute.

What is utterly stunning here is how she is clearly enjoying lunch in the midst of this conversation:

All 12 videos in this series can be found at here at the Center for Medical Progress.

What is the moral ethic we are anchored in? Is it simply that the end justifies the means? Do we not see how decisions made out of expediency will only continue to slide us further into “the culture of death?”

And for those that decide that they cannot in good conscience receive this vaccine due to their religious convictions, does the government have the right to overrule that conviction?

These are questions for all of us.

I know that each one of us would affirm the noble cause of trying to find ways to eradicate disease. However, I think we simultaneously need to ask ourselves, “At what cost?”

The Use of New Fetal Tissue Continues

As I implied above, there has not been a “temporary use” of vaccines. And not only has there not been a temporary use, there has been a continued new production:


“We obtained 9 fetuses through rigorous screening based on carefully specified inclusion criteria (see Methods section). The Walvax-2 strain of cells met all of these criteria and proved to be the best cell line following careful evaluation. Therefore it was used for establishing a human diploid cell strain.”


“The PER.C6 cell line is a superduper and commercial available manufacturing system that can be used to produce a variety of biopharmaceutical products, including vaccines..”(Link Here)

“The PER.C6 cell line is derived from human embryonic retinal cells, originally from the retinal tissue of an 18 week old fetus aborted in 1985…”

Potential Adverse Health Consequences of Using Aborted Human Cell Lines for Vaccine Production.

Dr. Theresa Deisher, a graduate with honors and distinction from Stanford University, and obtained her Ph.D. in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from the Department of Molecular and Cellular Physiology, Stanford University, concluded in this study that “vaccines manufactured in human fetal cell lines contain unacceptably high levels of fetal DNA fragment contaminants.”

To read more about Dr. Deisher’s extensive professional background and her testimony on Conscious Rights, click here.

I have addressed the concerns of vaccine safety in a previous post, found here, and will be reviewing additional studies in an upcoming post.

Current Vaccine Ingredients

Here is a link to the Vaccine Excipient Summary  from the CDC which lists all ingredients.

You will find MRC-5 or WI-38 which contains RA27/3, Human Serum Albumin in the following vaccines:

  • Adenovirus
  • DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
  • DTaP-IPV (Quadracel)
  • Hep A (Havrix)
  • Hep A (Vaqta)
  • Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix)
  • MMR (MMR-II)
  • MMRV (ProQuad)
  • Rabies (Imovax)
  • Varicella (Varivax)
  • Zoster (Shingles – Zostavax).

There are so many issues that need to be addressed that are, for the moment, beyond the scope of this post.

However, there are a few thoughts that I would like to add, before bringing this to a close, for now.

The mother of the aborted baby (WI-38), whose cells have been used to create vaccines, was never informed of what happened to her baby. There was no “Informed Consent.” That may very well be true of the mother of RA27/3, and who knows how many others.

This from Slate:

“After the abortion, her 8-inch-long, female fetus was taken without her knowledge and its lungs dissected at the famous Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. The tiny purplish organs were packed on ice and flown to the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, where a biologist named Leonard Hayflick cut them into innumerable pieces the size of match heads.”

What is interesting to note, and sad, in the above article from Slate, is that the focus was not so much that the baby had been “chopped up”, but rather, the lack of compensation given to the mother, while the pharmaceutical companies made billions.

Why is all this of particular relevance now?

Certainly this should have always been of importance to us, but honestly many people may not be fully aware of this information.

Now however, in addition to all the ethical issues, we may be facing the potential of legal challenges. I would like to point out that over the last few years, 5 states have eliminated religious exemptions (See here ). It is predicted more will continue to do so in the aftermath of the COVID pandemic.

This video recently went viral due to constitutional lawyer Alan Dershowitz’s comments. Though some write off his comments, there are many others who feel very much like he does. He affirms that the U.S. government has the constitutional authority to mandate vaccines. “You have NO right NOT to be vaccinated.”

Click HERE to view. It is about 1 minute in length.

“Don’t Worry, It’s All Good.” Really?

In my researching, I came across an article that stated:

“So let’s look back at what is the story of fetal tissue used in the development of vaccines and why it is not something to worry about.”

It is my sincere hope that that is not where you find yourself after reading through this post.

I can only speak from my Christian perspective. From what the story is that I have just looked back at and examined, my assessment would be just the opposite.

That is, unless we decide do something with what is before us. What will you do with this information? Has it changed you?

Additional Reading

I am going to leave it here for now.  If you have not read my first post on this subject, I would strongly encourage you to review it so that you have a better understanding of this entire conversation. Click Here.

Information on the Covid-19 vaccine can be found here.

Discussion on the specific use of the Covid vaccine as it relates to ethical and moral concerns can be found here, here  and here.

We need to give serious attention to evaluating ways to accomplish the goal of health and safe immunity from disease that does not bring unnecessary harm to our bodies, and more importantly, to our souls.